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Post by moolastrikes 2012-12-27, 11:47 pm

Carlos85 wrote:According to some forums, the addictive that added in ron 92 will be sold as ron 95. But no one can proof who is correct due to no one did the test of petrol that sold in Malaysia.

Ron95 means that it contained 95% of gasoline amd 5% of pentana. So will be same goes to ron 97, 97% of gasoline and 3% of pentana.

Questions will go to: engine minimal required grade.. Malaysia government not allowed euro 4 engine in Malaysia, reasons:
1. Petrol grade still euro 1~2
2. Ron95 is the minimal requirement (if you pump in ron 92, that's all for your engine)

By the way, can anyone confirm our petrol grade is according to international standard?

If your engine requirement is ron 95, so if you pump ron 95 won't having under power issue. But why changing from our Malaysia petrol ron 97 to ron 95 will getting feeling of powerless and most people facing certain engine problems?

BTW, USA only have RON87, 89 and 92 where 87 is regular gas, 92 is premium gas. These gas are Muscle cars best meal since they have low compression, high CC engines. Euro and Japan have RON98 and RON100 respectively due to high compression engines (Mazda Skyactiv, 14:1:1, remember?)

For your references, http://www.powerchipgroup.com/articles/octane/page_one.html, http://www.handymanusa.com/articles/octane.html
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Post by moolastrikes 2012-12-27, 11:52 pm

Carlos85 wrote:According to some forums, the addictive that added in ron 92 will be sold as ron 95. But no one can proof who is correct due to no one did the test of petrol that sold in Malaysia.

Ron95 means that it contained 95% of gasoline amd 5% of pentana. So will be same goes to ron 97, 97% of gasoline and 3% of pentana.

Questions will go to: engine minimal required grade.. Malaysia government not allowed euro 4 engine in Malaysia, reasons:
1. Petrol grade still euro 1~2
2. Ron95 is the minimal requirement (if you pump in ron 92, that's all for your engine)

By the way, can anyone confirm our petrol grade is according to international standard?

If your engine requirement is ron 95, so if you pump ron 95 won't having under power issue. But why changing from our Malaysia petrol ron 97 to ron 95 will getting feeling of powerless and most people facing certain engine problems?

Not too sure about this since my friends that work in Oil and Gas industry stated it's non-sense. You'll feel powerless with Euro-2 RON 95 (since there's alot of sulphur, means dirty petrol, hard to burn efficiently) than Euro-3/4 RON 95. Not too sure about other petrol but BHP imports fuel from SG and other countries since they have no local refinery. That's one of the reason I prefer BHP for now.
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Post by dares 2012-12-28, 12:23 am

Carlos85 wrote:Ron95 means that it contained 95% of gasoline amd 5% of pentana. So will be same goes to ron 97, 97% of gasoline and 3% of pentana.

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If your engine requirement is ron 95, so if you pump ron 95 won't having under power issue. But why changing from our Malaysia petrol ron 97 to ron 95 will getting feeling of powerless and most people facing certain engine problems?

That's not how RON rating is assigned. refer to this link:

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa070401a.htm

"The octane number
of gasoline is a measure of its resistance to knock. The octane number
is determined by comparing the characteristics of a gasoline to isooctane (2,2,4-trimethylpentane) and heptane.
Isooctane is assigned an octane number of 100. It is a highly branched
compound that burns smoothly, with little knock. On the other hand,
heptane is given an octane rating of zero. It is an unbranched compound
and knocks badly.
"


I tried RON95 and 97 before in another car, no discernable difference for me. Basically, unless your engine is tuned to take advantage of high RON grade fuel, using RON97 is a waste of money if you expect a boost in engine power. At most, you get slightly reduced knocking (if your engine have knocking issues in the first place), or maybe a very minute increase in performance due to the ignition timing being advanced.
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Post by Carlos85 2012-12-28, 8:03 am

That's the main question! If our engine is tuned to consume ron95, why most people having serious engine knocking when they using ron95 for long time? This the reason people started to suspect the ron95 in Malaysia.

As you said, ron97 and ron 95 won't make the engine performance being so much different. The main thing is make the engine running smoother, and is depending on how the engine being tuned. This I know from some foreman, and I being told that ron95 caused engine need to overhaul faster.. Shocked
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Post by sfunglee 2012-12-28, 8:22 am

dares, i agree with you again...

I have a car required RON98, no option since Malaysia only have up to RON97. According to Cycle & Carriage , they will still warranty my car as long as I don't have any accident* (touch-wood)

I believe professional automotive manufacturer will have tolerance +/- on petrol demnd, for eg my case no such petrol in Malaysia what could we do. Else they never bring such model into the country..

My main concern is the FC of Fiesta is not that promising as advertised, seem not easy to go 5.6l/100km hahahaa..
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Post by dares 2012-12-28, 3:06 pm

Carlos85 wrote:That's the main question! If our engine is tuned to consume ron95, why most people having serious engine knocking when they using ron95 for long time? This the reason people started to suspect the ron95 in Malaysia.

As you said, ron97 and ron 95 won't make the engine performance being so much different. The main thing is make the engine running smoother, and is depending on how the engine being tuned. This I know from some foreman, and I being told that ron95 caused engine need to overhaul faster.. Shocked

Hmm...Personally I take foreman's word with a pinch of salt.

I'd concede that our RON95 is not the best quality, which ultimately will deteriorate the engine (as mentioned previously, high sulphur content). But to say that it is a lower grade RON fuel disguised as a high grade RON is a bit of a stretch for me. I never had any knocking issues even in my previous ride, a 10 year old Saga, pumping RON97 and later, RON95.

But anyway, It's boiling down to a case of he-said-she-said, so I don't think this discussion is going anywhere. Let's just agree to disagree, I'll continue to pump my 95 and you continue to pump your 97, as long as we enjoy our Fofi Smile


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Post by dares 2012-12-28, 3:07 pm

sfunglee wrote:dares, i agree with you again...

I have a car required RON98, no option since Malaysia only have up to RON97. According to Cycle & Carriage , they will still warranty my car as long as I don't have any accident* (touch-wood)

I believe professional automotive manufacturer will have tolerance +/- on petrol demnd, for eg my case no such petrol in Malaysia what could we do. Else they never bring such model into the country..

My main concern is the FC of Fiesta is not that promising as advertised, seem not easy to go 5.6l/100km hahahaa..

5.6l/100km....I nearly achieve once, 100% PLUS highway 90km/h lol
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Post by mobilo 2013-01-06, 12:19 pm

dares wrote:
sfunglee wrote:dares, i agree with you again...

I have a car required RON98, no option since Malaysia only have up to RON97. According to Cycle & Carriage , they will still warranty my car as long as I don't have any accident* (touch-wood)

I believe professional automotive manufacturer will have tolerance +/- on petrol demnd, for eg my case no such petrol in Malaysia what could we do. Else they never bring such model into the country..

My main concern is the FC of Fiesta is not that promising as advertised, seem not easy to go 5.6l/100km hahahaa..

5.6l/100km....I nearly achieve once, 100% PLUS highway 90km/h lol

Yupp...the best FC only achievable for 90kmh constant drive. For town drive, we cannot achieve ideal FC as quoted by Ford due to traffic jammed, slow moving traffic, air flow...etc

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Post by mobilo 2013-01-07, 9:07 am

Hi Fofian,

Some updates on the FC which found from Ford HQ website...

They quoted the estimated FC as follow;

city/highway/combined drive = 29/39/33 mpg...which result to

8.11/6.03/7.13 L/100km

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Post by mobilo 2013-01-07, 9:12 am

Ford's FC 5.9L/100km was based on Ford UK brochure where their 1.6 Ti-VCT model got different engine setup compared to us. UK Ford 1.6 model produce 105PS Power and 150Nm Torque. Their estimated FC for urban drive is 8.4L/100km and 4.5L/100km for highway.

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Post by azimqayyum89 2013-01-24, 7:21 am

my 2 weeks old fiesta also have a staggering 7.9l/100km... damnn.. what happen?

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Post by deladela 2013-01-24, 9:42 am

my 2 weeks old fiesta also have a staggering 7.9l/100km... damnn.. what happen?

You'll have to tell us what your driving conditions are first in which you are achieving 7.9l/100km. If you are seeking to achieve the published figure of 5.9l/100km in real world conditions, that would be rather hard to achieve as those are done on controlled conditions.

If you would have read the previous comments you would have a better gauge on what are the consumption figures we Fofians are getting. An approximate range would be 7.5 - 8.7l/100 km. I think your 7.9l/100km is quite decent for a 2 week old car, mine personally is 8.4l/100km and I frequently get stuck in the horrid traffic of KL. Again, give time for your Fofi to break-in for better FC.
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Post by WaNaWe900 2013-01-24, 11:34 am

Highest mine 8.9L/100Km, Lowest 6.55L/100Km... Shocked


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Post by azimqayyum89 2013-01-26, 1:29 pm

deladela wrote:
my 2 weeks old fiesta also have a staggering 7.9l/100km... damnn.. what happen?

You'll have to tell us what your driving conditions are first in which you are achieving 7.9l/100km. If you are seeking to achieve the published figure of 5.9l/100km in real world conditions, that would be rather hard to achieve as those are done on controlled conditions.

If you would have read the previous comments you would have a better gauge on what are the consumption figures we Fofians are getting. An approximate range would be 7.5 - 8.7l/100 km. I think your 7.9l/100km is quite decent for a 2 week old car, mine personally is 8.4l/100km and I frequently get stuck in the horrid traffic of KL. Again, give time for your Fofi to break-in for better FC.

my road condition to workplace.. 19 bumps before reaching the main gate.. i guess it says it all..fuhhh

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Post by alexdp 2013-01-26, 1:39 pm

my 4mths Fofi with 9k km average fc is 6.8L/100km..that is 70% highway and 30% city
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Post by WaNaWe900 2013-02-07, 1:59 pm

Found few Android's application to Track fuel consumption... aCar, CTN Car - Free & Cars Manager... still trying it, but prefer aCar bounce


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Post by khazmee 2013-03-06, 8:56 pm

even my 1.4lx got 7.2l/100km. i calculate manually. is it normal? Shocked

p/s: current mileage 3500km
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Post by acestar 2013-03-06, 9:16 pm

is perfect! mine one jam+city+highway.. averange 1 tank is 8.4/100km

if no jam 7.1/100km
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Post by acestar 2013-03-06, 9:21 pm

WaNaWe900 wrote:Found few Android's application to Track fuel consumption... aCar, CTN Car - Free & Cars Manager... still trying it, but prefer aCar bounce

But i am not using Android..
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Post by girlieman 2013-03-14, 11:22 pm

so far my best would be about 20.1km/L, average around 10-11km/L (6000km mileage)

normal federal highway morning traffic + occasional highway travelling

of all the brands that i used, so far i found bhp to be the best and petron the worst.


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Post by Tok Ayah 2013-03-17, 11:32 am

I've been using my new car for almost 3 weeks. Clocked 1,500 km so far, mainly city driving. The average FC so far is 9.3L/100km.

Not getting any where near the claimed 6.9L/100km

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Post by Eterna 2013-03-17, 12:44 pm

Same case as Tok Ayah. City driving at 9.7L/100km. That's higher than my father's xtrail. A bit frustrated honestly.

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Post by deladela 2013-03-17, 2:10 pm

Do give time to your Fofi's to break-in as your cars are still new and
the parts are still tight. A better estimation can be had after your
first service interval @ 10k KM. Also do not entirely depend on the
electronic gauge. Calculate manually to get a more accurate figure.

@Tok
Ayah & Eterna
As stated in your post, yours is a new car and you do mainly city
driving. Of course you would see a higher fuel consumption as there is
more stop and go instances. Give your car more time to break-in.

P.S. The claimed 6.9L/100km stated in all car brochures are all done within controlled environments. It is the same across the board. You can achieve it, if all circumstances are met. e.g. traveling at approx 90km/h, highway drive, etc
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Post by acestar 2013-03-18, 12:55 am

my best FC is 7.2l@100km with city drive and 40% highway
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